Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:35:30 -0400
The truth of John Fitzsimons at...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
Subject: Re: BDK chases a buck
From: John Fitzsimons <johnf@melbpc.org.au>
08 Jul 1999 11:02:42 +1000
>>JF:
JF: >> ...post pro-paranormal posts in
these newsgroups
JF: >> and I do not get even as much
as 1% of the problem
JF: >> with [pseudo] skeptics that you
get...
>>DK: You are especially nice to them, fulfilling their wishes.
JF: This is written by an "adult" ? Pretty pathetic. :-)
DK: Let us find out how "adult" my writing is.
The reader can ascertain
the truth or falsehood
of whether you follow
the wishes to those who
bring the newsgroups
to a complete mess...
The above is what my
crude slang meant, before
I revised this copy
for the web pages.
I'm writing of the
anti-paranormal and
anti-astrology
fanatics!
I wrote that JF always...
attacks pro-paranormalists, and
they
[the anti-fanatics]
keep being nice
to you.
JF:
The only pro-paranormalists I would consider
attacking [who do attack] are [not me,
says JF]
DK:
On these web pages, we can see attack
after lying attack from
you John Fitzsimons.
You infer you are a paranormalist, and
you infer that
only other paranormalists attack.
We can see, and verify with the DEJANEWS
archives
LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE from you.
JF continues...
those who constantly spam...
DK:
Pseudo-skeptic propagandists say Ed and
I "spam"
but we don't. You say it, so you
are, again,
pleasing the fanatics, are you not?
JF: ...crosspost, and generally make fools of themselves...
DK: We crosspost appropriately. If a given subject
concerns more than
one newsgroup, we post
to them.
As for making fools of ourselves. No,
it's
you who are being made a fool of when people
read what a liar you are, and have it proven
to them by DEJANEWS archives that record every
word...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
Rub your nose in that.
JF:
These people's actions greatly re-inforce the
opinion of some skeptics that pro-paranormalists
are idiots.
DK:
Your writing greatly reinforces the opinion of
honest and thinking people that you are a liar.
I don't care what PSEUDO-SKEPTIC FANATICS think
of me. I know they find anyone who is interested
in the paranormal is either a fraud or deluded.
It does not matter what other actions take place.
Skeptics, however, are a different group. Few
of
them post in alt.paranormal or alt.astrology.
FOR A COMPLETE TRUE
PICTURE
OF THE NEWSGROUP SITUATION:
http://www.psicounsel.com/faqchaos.html
<snip>
****************************************************
,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia.
/ Oz \ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm
\_,--.x/ http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/
v
Re: Why do you put me on trial everyday?
From: John Fitzsimons
Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:02:41 +1000
>Dan Kettler wrote:
>>John Fitzsimons <johnf@melbpc.org.au> writes:
>>> On Sat, 03 Jul 1999 15:43:36 -0700
>>> Edmond Wollmann <arcturian1@yahoo.net> wrote:
>>> >Can't these groups be for what they were intended?
>>> >To discuss astrology, metaphysics and psychology?
>If that's all you did, you wouldn't have any problems.
< snip >
JF:
That's correct. I don't have the problems
that
Bruce [dk] and Edmond have.
DK:
We covered the stinking truth of why
you don't
have that problem. We covered
it in this post.
JF:
...the way they act then nothing will change.
DK:
We expose Pseudo-Skeptic Fanatics.
We do so
because they cause these newsgroups
to be
avoided by proponents of the paranormal,
and
paranormal aspects of astrology.
All Edmond does is post about astrology
and
spirituality, and he is attacked constantly.
It has nothing to do with how he "acts."
Naturally, he does not tolerate these attacks.
When you witness proponents defending
themselves,
you call these defenses attacks.
The proof of this is at...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
verifiable in the DEJANEWS archives...
You consistently aid the fanatics,
the anti-paranormal,
anti-astrology fanatics.
So, they are nice to you.
Now, without the crude slang you seem
to disapprove of,
am I making it clear?
-----------------------------------------------------
ALL ABOUT THE NEWSGROUP SITUATION, WITH
A LINK TO
THE TRUTH OF THIS MATTER AT EDMOND WOLLMAN'S
SITE:
http://www.psicounsel.com/faqchaos.html
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From: Dan Kettler <dan@psicounsel.com>
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.astrology,talk.religion.newage
Subject: JOHN FITZSIMONS <was> Re: Hatred--Sickness
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:18:23 GMT
Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's
Discussion Network
John Fitzsimons <johnf@melbpc.org.au> writes: >
On 08 Jul 1999 17:10:15 PDT
> >Dan Kettler wrote:
>
> >> Page 188, CWG, Book 1, by Neale Donald Walsch
>
> >> Hatred is the most severely damaging mental condition.
> >> It poisons the
> >> body, and its effects are virtually irreversible.
JF:
<snip> He lived in a world of
his
own, constantly lashing out at
imaginary enemies. Talking of
conspiracies etc. etc.
They finally shared a common feeling
of pity for the bitter, angry
and
delusional occupant....
DK:
What is the _reality_ of John Fitzsimons?
Does he make sense?
Is he truthful?
Is he kindly? Is he civil? Is he delusional?
Reader, see for yourself, as the
pertinent
words from John Fitzsimons are
linked from...
from the following page:
YAHOO
www.yahoo.com
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From dan@psicounsel.com
Sun Jul 11 00:21:41 1999
From: Dan Kettler <dan@psicounsel.com>
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.astrology,talk.religion.newage
Subject: JOHN FITZSIMONS <was> Re: Hatred--Sickness
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:21:41 GMT
Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's
Discussion Network
John Fitzsimons <johnf@melbpc.org.au> writes:
> On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:14:36 GMT, dan@psicounsel.com (Dan Kettler)
Hatred is the most severely damaging
mental
condition...
JF:
True, and it can result
in angry
little boys creating
"hate pages".
DK:
I have no "hate" pages,
only pages which
educate the readers
of how deceitful you
are, so no-one will
be fooled by you.
See...
linked from the following page...
YAHOO
www.yahoo.com
TYPE
skeptics what they do and why
From 72711.707@CompuServe.COM
Sat Jul 17 05:20:03 1999
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: JOHN FITZSIMONS Who is he?
Date: 17 Jul 1999 12:20:03 GMT
Who and What is John Fitzsimons?
See for yourself, and verify with DEJANEWS
at www.deja.com (use power search)
Click here...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
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Subject: Re: JOHN FITZSIMONS Who is he?
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:12:44 -0700
Samhain wrote:
> Dan Kettler <72711.707@CompuServe.COM> wrote in message
> >Who and What is John Fitzsimons?
> I go away for a few months, come back to have a look and see nothing
has
> changed...
>
> You are an idiot
You are one sick fool!
Why did you not write this to John Fitzsimons? Why am I the one
you
target? John Fitzsimons writes denigrating LIES about me.
I tell the TRUTH
about him.
Who is the idiot, you or me?
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From dan@psicounsel.com Sat Jul 17 05:23:58 1999
From: Dan Kettler <dan@psicounsel.com>
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.astrology,talk.religion.newage
Subject: What is JOHN FITZSIMONS? <was> Re: Hatred--Sickness
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:23:58 -0700
John Fitzsimons wrote:
>>>>>>(see below)
DK:
>>>>>>Who, exactly, is John
>>>>>>Fitzsimons?
>>>>>>What is he?
>>>>>>Well, he is a habitual liar. He is a control-freak.
Do you, the
reader want evidence?
>>>>>>Well, there is DEJANEWS. It records every word written.
It's at
http://www.deja.com
>>>>>>(best that you use the "power search" function)
>>>>>>YAHOO www.yahoo.com
>>>>>>TYPE
skeptics what they do and why
>>>>>>When reaching the page, scroll down to find
"Is there Intelliegent Life on the Net"
>>>>>>click around a bit till you find JOHN FITZSIMONS referenced
>>>>>> Read the quotes of this LIAR and CHARACTER-ASSASSIN, and then,
if
>>>>>> you wish, verify with DEJANEWS
> On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:57:42 GMT, sandra6456@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > John Fitzsimons <johnf@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:14:36 GMT, dan@psicounsel.com (Dan Kettler)
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Hatred is the most severely damaging mental condition.
It poisons
> >> >the body, and its effects are virtually irreversible.
JF
> >> True, and it can result in angry little boys creating "hate pages".
> >> :-)
There is no hate on my pages. I, simply, do not want your lies
on USENET
to not get the proper explanation, that is to point out the fact that
you
are a liar and character-assassin. When you write lies about
me,
especially, isn't it reasonable that I should expose you?
> >Why is so much hatred directed towards people who tell the truth.
What is the truth, to you? Do you believe that John Fitzsimons
is
truthful? If you do, how so?
> Because it can interfere with what some people want. For example
> Bruce wants people to believe in some sort of imaginary (skeptical
?)
> enemies so that he can pretend to be some sort of warrior against
> them.
Interesting picture you paint here, Fitzsimons. Howevr, it's all
wrong.
I have no "enemies" on USENET. I am no warrior, and never pretended
to
be. I simply educate people, and so do others. For you
to write all this
nonsense about me shows how you make things up, whether you consciously
believe them or not.
> Pretty pathetic of course but sure helps enhance his own
> inflated opinion of himself in these groups.
Your analysis is far from the way things are, or how things work within
me.
It would be more useful to look at yourself, and your own motives.
> Also, Bruce for example does his hate pages, and has managed to make
> hatred an art form, because he cannot tolerate anyone who disagrees
> with him. The words "control freak" are often used by people who
> discuss him.
I use that word, "control freak" but unlike you, I give examples to
show
how you are that.
When you make accusations about me, like that of "hatred," I ask you
to
show what I've written that, allegedly, shows "hatred," but you never
offer examples.
<snip>
In short, you are one of the most deceitful and cowardly people I've
witnessed on USENET. You are,
consistently, that way.
--
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astrology--psychic
power
UFO phenomena
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From dan@psicounsel.com Sun Jul 18 06:11:10 1999
From: Dan Kettler <dan@psicounsel.com>
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.astrology,talk.religion.newage
Subject: FITZSIMONS <was> Re: What is DAN KETTLER ? <was> Re:
Hatred--Sickness
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:11:10 -0700
John Fitzsimons <johnf@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:23:58 -0700, Dan Kettler <dan@psicounsel.com>
> wrote:
> < snip >
> >In short, you are one of the most deceitful and cowardly people I've
> >witnessed on USENET. You are, consistently, that way.
DK:
The
snipped-out portion tells much more of the
situation, including how I prove what I say about,
you, while your cowardly comments of me are never
backed up with examples.
JF:
> Golly, just what we need. Deep, meaningful comments. Maybe you should
> put the above on one of your hate pages ? :-)
DK:
They are not "hate pages," but are placed to expose you, since you lie
so much about the newsgroup situation, and your comments of the newsgroup
situation are so far from reality.
John, you consistently write either lies about me, or character-assassination comments.
Then you object to what I write about you, even though I've proven
it with quotes from you, and compared to the truth of the DEJANEWS
archives.
More on FITZSIMONS by using DEJANEWS.
Look for FITZSIMONS in the subject area...
http://www.deja.com (use "power search")
> Regards, John.
> ****************************************************
> ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne,
Australia.
> / Oz \ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm
> \_,--.x/ http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/
> v
> alt.paranormal.moderated
- flame-free discussion of the paranormal.
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"Skepti-cultists"
From dankettler1619@my-deja.com Mon Jul 26 01:59:20 1999
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: JOHN FITZSIMONS what is he? <was> Dan Kettler ...
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:59:20 GMT
In article <yLSbN21te=o+97Ftq38R3GDwVgkl@4ax.com>,
John Fitzsimons <johnf@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
Well, here we have the usual "DAN KETTLER" in the "subject"
area postings by John Fitzsimons. Well, just who and what is
John Fitzsimons?
He is a CONTROL FREAK!
He is an obvious, blatant, and PROVEN LIAR!
He
continually writes nasty remarks about
people on USENET, about people who dare
disagree with him.
Anyone
who does not agree to follow the rules,
according to this dictator's word, is
subject to this creep's lying, denigration
of character on USENET.
DEJANEWS has copies of all posts,
so everything I write of him,
all the quotes of his writing, are proven
Here is where you find all you need about John Fitzsimons, just
click at this URL...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
<snip>
John Fitzsimons:
> ...The only difference is that there are now fewer
> pro paranormal people here <snip>
DK:
And, that is supposedly because of Edmond Wollmann and myself,
our postings. I, and EW, have stopped posting for months, and
whenever we return, we find the FANATICS have dissuaded people
who are pro-paranormal from posting.
JF:
Most have got tired of all
the astrology posts here
and the constant "The skeptics
are out to get me" rants
from
Bruce.
DK:
Yeah, and your writing, supposedly, is from some
great
"knowledge," you think? What people are tired
of, some
examples, are here...
http://www.psicounsel.com/page9328-a.htm#reg
<snip>
> ****************************************************
> ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne,
Australia.
> / Oz \ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm
> \_,--.x/ http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/
> v
> alt.paranormal.moderated
- flame-free discussion of the paranormal.
----
All about the newsgroups, and how they
relate to
astrology, the paranormal, and UFO phenomena...
http://www.psicounsel.com/news/index.html
From dankettler1619@my-deja.com Mon Jul 26 02:11:15 1999
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: JOHN FITZSIMONS WHAT IS HE? <was> Re: DAN KETTLERS Who is
he?
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:11:15 GMT
In article <DrObN7oH8VFev1TbX3XOE2hxUeF8@4ax.com>,
John Fitzsimons <johnf@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
DK:
Well, here we have the usual "DAN KETTLER" in the "subject"
area postings by John Fitzsimons. Well, just who and what is
John Fitzsimons?
He is a CONTROL FREAK!
He is an obvious, blatant, and PROVEN LIAR!
He
continually writes nasty remarks about
people on USENET, about people who dare
disagree with him.
Anyone
who does not agree to follow the rules,
according to this dictator's word, is
subject to this creep's lying, denigration
of character on USENET.
DEJANEWS has copies of all posts, so everything I write of him,
all the quotes of his writing, are proven
Here is where you find all you need about John Fitzsimons, just
click at this URL...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
Samhain wrote:
I go away
for a few months, come back
to have
a look and see nothing has
changed...
DK:
Yes, Fitzsiomons
writes lying denigration of
character
about me.
I reply
to Fitzsimons, by rebutting his lies,
and showing
what a habitual character-assassin
he is.
Samhain writes:
You are an idiot
DK:
Which means
"S" disagrees with what I do,
apparently.
DK:
Why am I the one you target?
Samhain:
... "They
are out to get me" posts
make you
appear to be an idiot...
DK:
Actually, they
do not, and are not "out to
get me" posts.
The main part of these
posts are here...
http://www.psicounsel.com/news/index.html
Readers, generally, do not find them "idiotic."
They agree, or
they disagree, but there is nothing
"idiotic" about
them. The silly one is the one
who attaches
labels upon people, without any specific
reference, some
quote of the referenced material,
to back them
up.
DK:
> > I tell the TRUTH about him, [FITZSIMONS].
JF:
> < ROFL > Yea, sure.
DK:
Let the reader decide,
comparing what I've quoted
of your nonsense,
lies, and denigration
of character...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
verifiable in DEJANEWS archives...
http://www.deja.com (use "power search")
<snip>
> ****************************************************
> ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne,
Australia.
> / Oz \ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm
> \_,--.x/ http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/
> v
> alt.paranormal.moderated
- flame-free discussion of the paranormal.
----
All about the newsgroups, and how they
relate to
astrology, the paranormal, and UFO phenomena...
http://www.psicounsel.com/news/index.html
From dan@psicounsel.com Mon Jul 26 02:27:57 1999
From: Dan Kettler <dan@psicounsel.com>
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: JOHN FITZSIMONS who and what is he? <was> Re: DAN KETTLERS
Who is he?
John Fitzsimons wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:12:44 -0700, Dan Kettler <dan@psicounsel.com>
> wrote:
There are 2 ways to find out what John Fitzsimons is. Fitzsimons
constantly places posts with my name in the SUBJECT HEADER. He
writes lying denigration of character about me.
1.
>>>>>> DEJANEWS:
>>>>>> http://www.deja.com (use "power search)
>>>>>> Place "Fitzsimons" without the quotes in the "subject" area
>>>>>> as a "search."
2.
> On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:12:44 -0700, Dan Kettler <dan@psicounsel.com>
> wrote:
See the above, the "domain" name?
Well, in the normal "www" manner, just place /fitzsimons.html
after
"com" and look at the WORLD WIDE WEB.
<snip>
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From dan@psicounsel.com Wed Jul 28 08:48:44 1999
From: Dan Kettler <dan@psicounsel.com>
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: FITZSIMONS <was> Re: Being in the World, Not of it
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:48:44 -0700
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Fitzsimons, whenever you get into matters of alleged motives,
rather than the subject at hand, I will again expose your
former activities on the NET.
All about FITZSIMONS, shown by quotes from him, at...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
The quotes are verifiable in the DEJANEWS archives, at...
http://www.deja.com (use "power search")
More on FITZSIMONS by looking at the dejanews archives for
"FITZSIMONS" in the subject area.
If you don't like what I do Fitzsimons, state why. I have no
problem with differences of opinion. However, discussion of
what you believe is the reason for my activities, is flaminig.
I placed a post, recently, about the difference between flames
and disagreement.
> >Dan Kettler wrote:
>
> >>
REPOSTING
>
> >>
Would you, the reader, like to
> >>
repost this article at a future date?
> >>
> >>
It is a legal and acceptable practice.
>
> >>
The prinicipal purpose is to keep
> >>
alt.astrology and alt.paranormal
> >>
> >>
...ON-TOPIC.
> >Then why did you crosspost...
It's debatable.
JF:
> Because he wants the attention.
No, Fitzsimons, I consider it in bad
taste for you to write of my alleged motives.
JF:
>>>>>> That is also the reason for
>>>>>> these constant (and pointless)
>>>>>> boilerplate re-runs.
And, what is the reason for your constantly finding fault with my
activities on USENET, and then name-calling, and other denigration
of character?
I place these posts for one reason, and that is to belp bring the
newsgroup ON-TOPIC.
You don't like it? You are nearly alone amongst proponents (if
that is
what you actually are).
However, the PSEUDO-SKEPTIC FANATICS, the BIGOTS side with you, but
so
what?
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From dan@psicounsel.com Thu Jul 29 15:54:44 1999
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.astrology
Subject: ON-TOPIC posting <was> Re: How cut and paste becomes excessive
or REPOSTING : history and lies... Dan's own words.
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:54:44 -0700
Bob Officer wrote:
<snip>
> >No, readers, REPOSTS are not SPAM. Repeated references to URLs
are
> >not SPAM, and NONE OF THIS WILL LIKELY CAUSE YOU TO LOSE YOUR
> >ACCOUNT as the FANATICS WHO ATTEMPT TO CONTROL THESE NEWSGROUPS
> >would like you to believe.
BO:
> Yes they are and time will prove.. excessive posting/reposting
of the
> same materials in usenet over and over again is SPAM.
DK:
You are writing obvious falsehood. It is not spam. It is
bringing the
newsgroups ON-TOPIC. When people see the posts, they will participate
in discussions. The more on-topic posts that appear, the more
people
who will participate, and FANATICS do not want positive participation.
All about the newsgroup situation, and what you, the reader, can do
to
help it...
http://www.psicounsel.com/news/index.html
BO:
> Folks if you take this mans advice, you are endangering your posting
> privileges
DK:
I advise, on my pages, what "spam" actually is, and what your ILK have
done to ruin these newsgroups and make them OFF-TOPIC, groups that
no
proponent of astrology or the paranormal aspect of astrology, would
even READ.
I also advise people to check with their ISP before reposting, because
fanatics like you will send in BOGUS COMPLAINTS.
<snip>
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From dan@psicounsel.com Tue Aug 03 19:48:11 1999
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.paranet.ufo,talk.religion.newage,alt.astrology
Subject: FITZSIMONS <was> Re: About NEWSGROUP activity--HITS on the
site
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:48:11 -0700
John Fitzsimons johnf@melbpc.org.au wrote:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Usually, when FITZSIMONS posts in reply to me,
I usually find the subject then becomes
FITZSIMONS, rather than the original
subject.
All about FITZSIMONS by DEJANEWS ARCHIVES
of all past posts, "power search." Look
for "fitzsimons" in the subject headers.
History of this "subject" goes back for
years.
FITZSIMONS is a _CONTROL FREAK_
All about him, with _PROOF_ at...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:33:13 -0700, Dan Kettler <dan@psicounsel.com>
> wrote:
> >Space Gojira somekindaaddress@mindspring.com (Space Gojira)
>
> < snip >
> >I have been accused, by others of your persuasion,
> >of REPOSTING so I could get "hits."
> >I've written, repeatedly, that it would hardly be
> >worthwhile, even just reposting, just copy and
> >paste. I've written that I do not REPOST for
> >"hits."
And, I showed in the post that John Fitzsimons deceptively snipped,
exactly why it would not be for "hits." I've also explained,
repeated, in these
newsgroups, and on the following WEB PAGES that FITZSIMONS comments
about, why I do REPOST. Why I REPOST is at...
http://www.psicounsel.com/news/index.html
> Then why bother ? It achieves nothing worthwhile. Unless your goal
is
> simply "flame bait" ?
Your consistent reference to my supposed _motives_ is flame bait.
You know it, and nearly everyone reading this knows it. The thing
you do not know, however, is the long term consequences
of this.
When these newsgroups do turn into the place that people
go to
discuss the paranormal, your name will be prominent as the attacker
of all proponents of the paranormal who dared to resist the domination
of the freaks, the fanatics.
The major consequence you are unaware of is that your attempts
to question my motives are obviously deceptive to more people than
you know of. Obvious deception paints you for the liar you are,
in these newsgroups.
The history of your deception goes back a long time, and has been
proven on my web pages.
Your control freak, lying, denigration of character, ways
are becoming
more obvious to more people, as time goes by.
Whether you know what all that means, or what it will do to you, as
you continue your activity in these newsgroups it will become even
more apparent.
Nearly all the "friends" you have are other control freaks,
the
fanatical ANTI-PARANORMAL and ANTI-ASTROLOGY MISFITS that permeate
these newsgroups. DEJANEWS archives show and prove that.
> It doesn't take long for newcomers here to learn to ignore the re
> posts of the re posts of the re posts.
And, you are, again practicing "mind reading," are you?
Sure, you supposedly know who is ignoring what.
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From dan@psicounsel.com Thu Aug 05 02:20:11 1999
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,talk.religion.newage,alt.astrology
Subject: Re: FITZSIMONS <was> Re: About NEWSGROUP activity--HITS
on the site
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 02:20:11 -0700
John Fitzsimons <johnf@melbpc.org.au>
All about FITZSIMONS at...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
wrote:
I wrote:
> >Your consistent reference to my supposed motives is
flame bait.
> >You know it, and nearly everyone reading this knows it.
> < snip >
JF:
> True, you not only create flame threads but when a simple question
is
> asked you chose to flame instead of reply. Rather proves my point.
No, it proves nothing. The proof of what you are, and who you
are,
is in the DEJANEWS ARCHIVES.
You show your colors continually.
I have carefully documented the patterns of your sick behavior
on USENET...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
It is not "ask [ing]" questions to cite supposed unwholesome motives
of me, and call them "just questions" with any sense of honesty.
However, you have shown yourself to be dishonest, and COWARDLY so, with
vague innuendos. You are a SNEAKY COWARD, saying very little
directly.
That is propagandizing, spin-doctoring.
JF:
> Yep. There appears to be no other motive. Why anyone would bother
to
> post just to create flame threads is beyond me. Still, everyone has
> different interests I suppose.
DK:
Well, now here you write that I REPOST ARTICLES to CREATE FLAME THREADS.
I repost to help bring the newsgroups ON-TOPIC, and to set an example
for others to REPOST.
I have made it clear on USENET, and on my WEB PAGES, why I REPOST.
The articles on REPOSTING are here...
http://www.psicounsel.com/news/index.html
Your assertions are ABSURD.
<snip>
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From dan@psicounsel.com Thu Aug 05 02:05:50 1999
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.astrology,talk.religion.newage
Subject: FITZSIMONS IS A LIAR! <was> Re: About NEWSGROUP activity--HITS
on the site
John Fitzsimons
...is the subject of WEB PAGES which point to the
PROVEN fact that he is a continual denigrator
of character, and a LIAR about those whom
he disagrees with.
He is, simply, a CONTROL FREAK!
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
Lies are easily PROVEN on USENET, because everything
written is kept in the DEJANEWS archives...
http://www.deja.com (use "power search")
Also, to find out more about JF, just use DEJANEWS,
and look for "fitzsimons" in the "subject" area.
The posts go back for years.
JF wrote:
>>>that>>>
CFA wrote:
> >I'm an astrologer by profession, and I think you're
> >filling this group with SPAM.
> Oh oh. Another person for Bruce's [aka Dan] "hate list".
See, JF, you have a problem. I don't hate anyone, even
you. As I've written before, I pity you. I will expose
you, though. I will make it clear what a habitual
liar and Control Freak you are.
Why is it necessary to take what CFA writes about my supposed
"spam" and go on about some alleged "hate list" you want to
write about.
Isn't it kind of childish? You really do have problems,
don't you? Here I am, minding my own business, reading
USENET, and I find more childish writing about me, more
Lies from John Fitzsimons.
JF:
I wonder how long it will be before Bruce calls you a liar and devotes
a whole web page to vitriolic attacks on you ?
DK:
Where is the _sense_ here? I wasn't writing about you. I
was in a
discussion with CFA. I wasn't writing WEB PAGES about CFA.
It is
very few who get mention on my WEB PAGES. You are one of those
few.
I have no "vitriolic attacks" on you! I have fact after fact,
quote
after quote, PROVING, what a LIAR you actually are.
As I wrote
before, the Dejanews
archives show our every word, so lies from you
are proven.
In this post, here, you lie yet AGAIN.
JF:
[DK] used to post a list in the newsgroup of people who
supported him and those who were "the enemy".
DK:
Actually, the list has nothing to do with "supporter" or "enemy."
"Who's who" in alt.paranormal is here...
http://www.psicounsel.com/whos.html
The people who considered themselves part of a.p. are here...
http://www.psicounsel.com/page9328-a.htm
...and that list is not, necessarily, current.
Many of them agreed they would be considered...
"overseers"
JF:
The "supporters" diminished...
DK:
The proponents, for the most part, stopped posting in a.p.
The message you are falsely conveying is that they supposedly
switched sides. There were no "sides" though.
JF:
...as he constantly repeated his "They are out to
get me" rants, over and over and over again.
DK:
I don't see "out to get me" rants in my writing. I do not feel
victimized by any events in a.p. Newsgroup activity is not
something anyone can feel "threatened" by, since it consists of
words on a screen. The only "problem" I see, usually, is that
it takes so much time. I've been considering a break from the
activity, probably some months. As you know, I do check
DEJANEWS about every month, however, for mention of my name.
Last time I stopped for months, there you were, in the newsgroups
lying about me, and denigrating my character. You have an
obsession with doing that, don't you?
If the reader wishes to know what I say about newsgroup activity,
they can read...
http://www.psicounsel.com/news/index.html
They won't find any "rants" or "out to get" material. They will
find proven, documented, facts. Yes, people have tried to get
my
ISP account eliminated, and I point that fact out. Calling this
"out to get me" or not mentioning what "out to get me" is about,
is vague innuendo, and it is deception.
JF:
> This resulted in the "supporters" list shrinking and the "enemy" list
> getting bigger.
DK:
The fact, and you _know_ this, is that what you term "enemy list"
consists (a large percentage) of, PSEUDO-SKEPTIC FANATICS. This
"list"
as you refer to it, is not made up of people who discuss the
paranormal or astrology, or even find value in the subject as
skeptics, but it is mainly FANATICS, flamers, hostile people.
Personally, none of them are my "enemy." That is your term.
JF:
So he stopped posting his "lists". < ROFL >
DK:
This is a fabrication. Why are you so obsessed with me?
Why do you have some COMPULSION to write about me?
JF:
CFA:
> >YOU create much of your opposition by your INCESSANT WHINING.
DK:
I did reply to that, with the truth of the matter, viewable in the
DEJANEWS archives, but JF wants none of that shown here.
JF:
...it gets him exactly what he wants. Attention.
DK:
No, I do not want "attention." I would like to see the newsgroups
predominantly ON-TOPIC, and I note that your writing, for the most
part, does not bring it ON-TOPIC, but lately consists mostly of
FLAME BAIT. Why don't you write of the paranormal instead of
people? Why are you so obsessed with me? I wasn't writing
about
you.
It is about what you say you think are my motives for
what I write.
It is derogatory, and it reveals your character.
It is of no constructive use to anyone.
On the other hand, my exposure of you will be in the archives, and on
my WEB PAGES, and they will be helpful to many. My writing is
of your
habits, and they are proven true.
I am not the only one who quotes my own WEB PAGES. When others
notice,
as they have in the past in other newsgroups, is what a CONTROL FREAK
you are, and they will again use the SEARCH ENGINES and quote the URL...
http://www.psicounsel.com/fitzsimons.html
You, JOHN FITZSIMONS, provide a study about yourself, of abnormal,
obsessive, behavior on USENET. That is the only usefullness
of your references
to me.
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