Subject:
             Re: Waiting for Randi
        Date:
             Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:05:30 -0500
       From:
             Happy Dog <happydog@interlog.com>
 Organization:
             Milkbone
         To:
             John Benneth <gian@cyberhighway.net>,
             James Randi <JamesRandi@compuserve.com>
  References:
             1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5
 
 
 

John Benneth wrote:

> Dear 'Happy Dog:'
>
> Just a note to inform you Mr. Randi has still not responded to my
question as to
> whether or not providing a method to distinguish homoeopathically potentized
> water from non-potentized water to the satisfaction of fair and impartial
> observers wins the James Randi Eductional Foundation (JREF) challenge. Demanding
> how that might be done is not answering the question, but rather being evasive
> of it, and indicates to me that you're more interested in arguing than in
> finding out the truth.

Happy Dog wrote:

I assume you mean provide a method that can be independently verified to
work in a controlled double blind study.  I am not affiliated with the JREF.  So why
not tell
me?  I'm willing to listen.

John Benneth wrote:

> Correct me if I am wrong. If you are interested in
> determining the truth about homoeopathy, then why don't you join us in asking
> Mr. Randi to give us the courtesy of a simple response to a simple question?

Happy Dog wrote:

I have, but that doesn't mean that I don't have my own interest.  I don't
know why Randi hasn't responded.  He may be busy with other things.  But I've never
heard of him not personally responding within a reasonable amount of time...

John Benneth wrote:

> You
> said yourself it was well stated. Mr. Randi apparently calls it 'magic water.'
> It seems to me that puts it under the terms of his challenge. What do you think,
> 'Happy Dog'? (or whatever your name is) Do you think we should establish a
> record of this with the media, the Florida state attorney general and the U.S.
> Justice department?

Happy Dog wrote:

Happy Dog is a legal name.  Almost everyone I know calls me Happy Dog.  My
credit cards say Happy Dog on them.  If you really want to know my birth name and
any other details about me, call me at (416) 587-5632.  Call collect if you like.

John Benneth wrote:

> Don't you think if Mr. Randi was forthright he would quickly answer the
> question? Or is this just a stage magician's publicity stunt? Hasn't Mr. Randi
> accepted a lot of people's money to build the challenge account? As I understand
> it, he's managing this account through JREF, which claims to be an educational
> foundation. It wouldn't seem to be very honest to me to be using an educational
> foundation to bilk a million dollars out of people while using the foundation
> for self-promotion. It doesn't seem very honest to me to make a public challenge
> and then run and hide when a serious challenger who stands to win the challenge
> shows up. Do you suppose Mr. Randi has any intention at all of awarding the
> prize? Do you think he'll ever answer the question before the term of his prize
> runs out in 2001?

Please go to www.randi.org and read the details of the challenge.  Randi has not
taken any money from anybody.  You are making an accustaion of fraud and
you do not know the publicly available information.  That is prejudicial and unfair.
I observe that you are spending more time trying to discredit Randi than enlighten me
about your fantasic claim.  This is a pattern I've seen before.  Why don't you
share your ideas with me?  If it looks promising, I'll personally fly down to the JREF
to get a challenge in the works at my own expense.  I will also pay your expenses to
attend the JREF for the challenge.  I don't want any of the prize but I will ask
for an agreement to use my name in connection with this groundbreaking event.  I
will also pay up to 3000.00US for a lawyer of your choosing to draft an agreement
satisfactory to you.  That will be more than enough compensation.  What do you think of
that?

> I might also note that corresponding with us with other than a real name reveals
> to me your lack candor in regards to this discussion. So who's acting the fraud
> here, 'Happy Dog'? From what I have gathererd from reading your and Mr. Randi's
> statements, 'Happy Dog', you believe homoeopathists to be engaging in a
> deceptive trade practice. But I am now compelled to ask, who here is making a
> livelihood out of deception?

Happy Dog:

     Using a pseudonym isn't fraudulent.  You have my telephone number and I welcome your
call at any time.  I can give you independent sources to verify who I claim to be, what I do and information where my pseudonym is registered.  Furthermore, I haven't accused homeopathists in toto of fraud and deception as I would a psychic surgeon.
      My inquiry deals with my belief that homeopathic solutions diluted beyond
Avrogados number are functionally equivalent and indistinguishable from distilled
water.
hd