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From: Dan Kettler <dan@psicounselmapson.com>
Subject: So-called "terminal" AIDS <was> Re: How low will Bruce stoop?
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Kevin Burnett wrote:

> >http://www.psicounsel.com/why3.html#minatti

Lou Minatti, who loves to write inane statements that
contradict reality, is best understood by the above.

Every time I crosspost your PSF (PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATIC)
garbage to mha, someone, or ones, make mincemeat of
you jerks.

DK:
> >...I doubt [ed]  the "terminal" nature of
> >an "illness" because, for one reason, years
> >later [someone with diabetes] is still alive.

> That statement of yours is mind-bogglingly stupid, Kettler.

> People with AIDS can live 5, 10 or even more years with the
> disease.  Would you question whether or not it is "terminal"?

I would say that the AIDS virus (especially) is _not_ terminal.
So would hordes of intelligent, educated, and professional
people.

But, you wouldn't know about _them_ would you?

You are a believer in the AIDS hoax, but like most
PSEUDO-SKEPTIC FANATICS you are _also_ gullible.

When you write of 5, 10, or more years, you are obviously
writing of the virus (or what appears to be some
virus to some).

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From: Dan Kettler <dan@psicounselmapson.com>
Subject: Hypoglycemia and Diabetes
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JM Jason Mathews

JM is best understood by reading 2 posts found in the GOOGLE archives...

One is here, and the other linked here.

wrote:

> "Dan Kettler" <dan@psicounselmapson.com> wrote in message
> news:39B8F2DC.88A0BAB5@psicounselmapson.com...

DRM wrote:

> >           "I collapsed at a local mall a few weeks ago with a
> >           blood sugar of 1251. ...I lost all my eye site for
> >           30 minutes...the muscle lining of the eyes
> >           was damaged and I could go blind at any time."
>
> Dan. A blood sugar reading of 1251 is called hyperglycemia.
>
> In your zeal to attack Del... [you made a mistake].

> Are you proud of yourself?

Actually, the only way you could appear to be "winning"
this argument, was to cut out my complete discussion, and
to ignore the fact that I disputed this, on USENET, with
Del Mulroy.

The discussion is probably in GOOGLE:

             http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search

He made the same point, as you, regarding high blood
sugar levels, though later in the post I'd pointed
out the relationship between low, and high, levels.

GOOGLE, also, will show you never won an argument
with me, and that you have shown yourself a complete
fool each and every time you tried to call me one.

My most important point, here, is that Del is
probably not dying.  Millions live with diabetes
for many years.  The as yet, uncurable,
"disease" he writes of is probably bogus.
Leg problems occur with diabetes, and
it is not necessary to have some other
exotic illness for that to occur.

> ...you are trying to use Del's condition as an argument
> to defame him...

Actually, since you bring it up, I am rebutting his
false allegations about me which were, long
ago, proven untrue...

      http://www.psicounsel.com/mulroy.html

Since you bring it up, I find that he's shown,
often enough on USENET, that he's mentally
unstable.

> ...a rather lowlife thing to do, but not
> unexpected, because as I have pointed
> out before, your arguments are logically
> flawed...

My discussions with you have proven you a
fool. Live with it.  You are the illogical
one, the one with no facts, and no sense.

GOOGLE archives of posts show this as fact.
Posts from me which prove you a jerk,
have been ignored by you.

You are, obviously, a blinded fanatic,
so deluded you cannot tell fact from CULT
fiction.

> ...and it is quite [un] acceptable...

To you, and other PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF),
to nutcases like you.  Do you think I give a s*it
what fools, like you, think is "acceptable"?

Go to hell!

<snip>

> But until you do apologize for this travesty, you will recieve no
> peace from me. Fuc*head.

Like your whining on USENET is supposed to cause me to lose sleep, or
peace?

That is, really, funny!

You people lie about others all the time, so what you are,
in effect, threatening is a repeat of the many lies that
parrots (those who read other posts and repeat them) have
written about me.

Such common accusations, proven untrue, are here:

             http://www.psicounsel.com/discsens.html#accuse

*******************************************************************************
Now, let's get to the part of the post you snipped, to make you appear
"right."
*******************************************************************************

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From: Neykomi Lee <XXneykomiXX@dtgnet.com>

Subject: Re: An unsubstantiated allegation about Kettler

<snip>

DM:
 

         "Minneapolsi terminated me after I showed up to
           work in casts, and said it was because of a 'lack
           of job performance.'"

DM:

           "I was told by this latest former employer that I had
           to check my blood sugars at a nurses office on
           1st floor at the other end of the building which with
           the frequency that I check the glucose levels..."

Del Robert Mulroy [aka Neykomi Lee] (for DEJA references) reports,
in a public posting Wed Jun 02. 1999 TIME: 06:19:00...

          "I collapsed at a local mall a few weeks ago with a
          blood sugar of 1251. ...I lost all my eye site for
          30 minutes...the muscle lining of the eyes
          was damaged and I could go blind at any time."

What does Barrett Chapin, MD say about "low blood sugar"?

          The brain is the major player in hypoglycemia. The
          brain depends on glucose (sugar) for fuel. It has
          very little ability to store any glucose and depends
          on a constant supply from the the glucose
          concentration in the blood. Just as the brain
          requires oxygen and extracts it from the blood, the
          same thing occurs with glucose. Without enough
          glucose (or oxygen) the brain goes into a coma.

DK:  Doesn't Del Robert Mulroy report having "collapsed"?

          When the glucose concentration drops to the mid-50s
          mg/dl ...and include shakiness, pounding/racing
          heart, nervousness, anxiety, perspiration, tingling,
          feeling hungry, and sensing that the blood sugar is low.

          At about 5 mg/dl below the autonomic symptoms
          (usually at a blood sugar of about 49mg/dl) the
          ability of the brain to work properly
          is   noticed...confusion, fatigue, drowsiness,
          warmth, difficulty speaking, incoordination, and
          odd behavoir. It can progress to coma, seizures,
          and death at glucose levels in the 30s mg/dl or below....

DK:  Priscilla Slagle, M.D. writes in the book, THE WAY UP FROM DOWN...

          ...sugar is a drug which, beside being addictive, is
          usually toxic to our systems in large amounts. The
          more sugar we eat, the less Vitamin B1 we have, and
          fatigue, depression, and other problems follow.

DK: Dr. Slagle also writes that "low blood sugar...many experts believe
may be brought about in certain susceptible individuals by the ingestion
of too much sugar."

On Page 133, Dr. Slagle writes:

          "Pet brain scans of schizophrenics, depressives, and
            other diagnostic groups have helped to substantiate
            the effects that low blood sugar or rapidly changing
            sugar levels have on brain function, and thus on
            emotional states, moods and perceptions. The
            proper concentration of sugar (glucose) in the
            proper areas of the brain at the right time is
            an essential component of good mental and
            physical health."

DK:     What do we see with Del Robert Mulroy's repeated references
            to suicide, being driven to it, along with his
            generally negative view of life? We see depression.
            It's not just low blood sugar that causes this,
            but excessively high amounts of sugar in the blood,
            a condition that Del Robert Mulroy freely admits
            he's affllicted with and which is, as he writes, caused
            by the condition of his legs.

            The important thing to note, here, is that balance of
             the blood sugar level is the aim for stable thinking,
             not too high, and not too low.

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Subject: Re: Hypoglycemia and Diabetes
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DK NOTE:  I am replying to portions of
          a number of posts, with this post.

==================================================================================
 

JM     Jason Matthews

DRM    Del Robert Mulroy

DK     Dan Kettler

DRM: Your web pages are absolutely filled with the issue
[of my sickness].  You have been quite obsessive about
the subject if I say so my self.

            http://www.psicounsel.com/mulroy.html

> DK:  I expressed doubt that it exists!

DRM: You seen the pictures so quit your lying.

DK:  I have seen "pictures," so that makes it _your_
         illness?  It could be pictures of anyone. It could be
         a picture of no-one, just faked. I have yet to see any
         verifiable documentation.

        As far as I can see, from your descriptions, you have
       diabetes, which _you_ obsessively write about.  It's
       not my obsession.

DK:  All you would need to do, now, is quit writing about me, and
         I would do the same.  Quit writing about me, and I quit
         writing about you.

> Many other web sites give examples of the mentality of
> PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF) and I have them linked.

        http://www.psicounsel.com/page9328-a.htm

DRM: Ed's, or Flagships I can imagine.

DK:      No, jerk, the WEB IS FULL OF SUCH SITES.  The fanatics get a lot of
         attention from people who wish to expose them.  Click at the page
         of links from the above.  Funny thing, though, independent study
         all comes up with the same stuff.

DK:      Funny thing, jerk, how you defend PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF).

DRM: ...one kid who died of diabetes because
     the parents were holistic alternative
     medicine doctors themselves and thought
     the boy just had a bad flu.

DK:      This reminds me of your distorted sense of reality, when you wrote
         of the one who died from "rebirthing."  That's at...

         http://www.psicounsel.com/pseufana.html

DK:     The above is not typical of an alternative doctor.  A
        holistic doctor, typically, would see to it that the child
        continued with insulin after proper diagnosis, and then
        slowly wean the child off of it when certain changes
        came about through alternative methods.

DK:     Now, Del, I know you have serious reading comprehsion problems.
            So, I'm going to explain the above.  I don't doubt that some couple,
           calling themselves "doctors," did what you report.  However,
           that's not typcial.  That's the exception, and ususally, that sort
          of thing gets reported by "anti-quack" nutcases.

DRM:  It isn't hard to weigh the decisio. to
      go see a real doctor, versus a quack who
      is not qualified or trained in medical
      science.

DK:         The above shows, positively, how ignorant you are.
               An alternative doctor can be one "trained in medical science."
               It can be a doctor who is licensed to practice medicine.

DK:         It also shows your stupidity, that you do not even investigate.

> >> DK:     What do we see with Del Robert
> >> Mulroy's repeated references to suicide,
> >> being driven to it, along with his generally
> >> negative view of life? We see depression.
> >> It's not just low blood sugar that causes this,
> >> but excessively high amounts of sugar in the
> >> blood, a condition that Del Robert Mulroy
> >> freely admits he's affllicted with and which
> >> is, as he writes, caused by the condition of
> >> his legs.

JM     Del has a life threating condition, OF
          COURSE this can cause depression. Is it
          the level of blood sugar that's causing it?

DK:    The level of sugar, when it swings wildly,
           and it turns to low levels, yes, that produces
           depression, desire for suicide, and all that
           Del shows abundance of, on USENET.  See
           his writing recorded at the /mulroy.html page.

DK:  Priscilla Slagle, M.D. writes in the book, THE WAY UP FROM DOWN...

          ...sugar is a drug which, beside being addictive, is
          usually toxic to our systems in large amounts. The
          more sugar we eat, the less Vitamin B1 we have, and
          fatigue, depression, and other problems follow.

DK: Dr. Slagle also writes that "low blood sugar...many
    experts believe may be brought about in certain
    susceptible individuals by the ingestion of too
    much sugar."

On Page 133, Dr. Slagle writes:

          "Pet brain scans of schizophrenics, depressives, and
            other diagnostic groups have helped to substantiate
            the effects that low blood sugar or rapidly changing
            sugar levels have on brain function, and thus on
            emotional states, moods and perceptions. The
            proper concentration of sugar (glucose) in the
            proper areas of the brain at the right time is
            an essential component of good mental and
            physical health."

---------------------------------------

DRM:   Evasion noted.

DK:    You call it "evasion," but to me it's just that I
           do not have a lot of time to waste with your repeated
           nonsense.  Much of your writing, I don't even read.

JM:    You spout all this verbage about low blood
          sugar levels, when Del is clearly referring
          to an instance of HIGH levels!

DK:    I pointed out the difference between holistic medicine,
       examination of the whole, and separative orthodox medicine,
       in a recent post.  Read it, and you will see how high and
       low levels can relate to one another.  Read, also, the
       following, and try putting your brain in gear when you do...

       Dr. Slagle writes:

              ..."low blood sugar...many experts believe
              may be brought about in certain susceptible
              individuals by the ingestion of too much sugar."

       Dr. Slagle writes:

            "Pet brain scans of schizophrenics, depressives, and
            other diagnostic groups have helped to substantiate
            the effects that low blood sugar

                      ___or rapidly changing sugar levels__

            have on brain function and thus on emotional
            states, moods and perceptions.

DK:    Del Robert Mulroy shows obvious problems with perceptions,
           with seeing reality clearly.

DK:    USE DEJA for past posts:

       http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml

DK:    Now, let's take "rapidly changing sugar levels" and
       connect it with:

Mulroy writes:

      "I collapsed at a local mall a few weeks ago with a
       blood sugar of 1251. ...I lost all my eye site for
       30 minutes...the muscle lining of the eyes
       was damaged and I could go blind at any time."

DK:    That's a high level, a rapidly changing high level.

Mulroy writes, as recorded on /mulroy09.html

        I announce my leaving of alt.paranormal,
        and all related paranormal news groups
        all together.

DK:  Why?  What is the threat?  I only asked Mulroy to stop
     writing about me, lying about me, and now he feels
     he must leave?

DK:  In reference to depression, and a loss of a grip
     on reality, that wanting to leave such newsgroups,
     feeling threatened where no such threat exists,
     is indicative of widely changing sugar levels,
     in my opinion.

DRM:   I am talking about suicide here is what is being
      done to me in the news group alt.paranormal.

DK:   This is, obviously, paranoia.  In my opinion, it
      comes through the acute blood-sugar problem.
      How can one talk about suicide because of writing
      in a newsgroup?  These newsgroups are barely read.
      How can one, realistically, feel so threatened?

Del Robert Mulroy writes:

         I struggled so hard with suicide and
         it's gripping choke hold...

DK:    Blood sugar levels can bring extreme depression upon a person,

DRM:   ...some background on what made me suicidal then, and now.

DRM:   I was brought up on charges on a crime I didn't do. ...
      I was sentenced to 90 days in jail. I served 54 before
      I died... I was taken to isolation cells and beaten
      savagely.

DK:   By the way, what was the crime that you did not commit?

DK:   This _could_ have happened.  However, I doubt it.
      DRM shows delusional writing all the time, so not
      much he writes can be trusted.

DRM:  I had both legs broken with their steel tipped boots.

DK:   As far as I can tell, the problem with his legs comes
      from diabetes, and the rest of this is delusion.

DRM:  I am now diabetic because of this medical
      condition of the legs.

DK:   I don't know, but seems to me, with all the delusions from
      Mulroy that were proven false writing, this is just a leg
      problem as a symptom of diabetes, and all the reports of
      being beaten are from his imagination.

DK:  Del, you live in a hell, in your mind, of your own making.

DRM:  Pushing someone to the brink of suicide...

DK:   It's delusional to think _I_, writing on
      USENET, could "push" you to suicide.

===================================================================

             http://www.psicounsel.com/mulroy.html

===================================================================

DRM:  You snipped the entire post where I
      responded to Heather Chase (who is
      kicking your butt all over alt.paranormal)

DK:  Heather Chase, in your deluded imagination, "kicks butt."

DK:  I replied to one of her posts, and found that she,
        like you, does not know how to debate.  Neither of
        you understand what logic is.  Without using actual
        facts, or writing logically, one loses by default.

DK:  DEJA shows my writing with her:

     http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml

DK:  No, I don't answer all you write, and I don't even read it all.

DK:  You might consider, Mulroy, one only needs to show how a person
     discredits themselves, once, and then ignore the remainder of
     their writing.  That's all it takes.

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From: Dan Kettler <dan@psicounselmapson.com>
Subject: Re: Hypoglycemia and Diabetes
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Neykomi Lee (Del Robert Mulroy) wrote:

> X-No-Archive: Yes

> ...point in adding misc.health.alternative in this
> discussion was?

It was to get some feedback from those
who are interested in alternative health.

> ... misc.health.alternative reading this, be advised that Dan
> Kettler has absolutely no knowledge to his credit on diabetes.

I am interested in feedback.  I crossposted to an
appropriate newsgroup.  My "knowledge to my credit"
is not the issue here, since I'm not in a teaching,
or practicing, mode.

> He knows not one
> thing that he is talking about.

That remains to be seen.

> ...he stated here...

I did not "state," I quoted a doctor.

>      DK: Dr. Slagle also writes that "low blood
>      sugar...many experts believe may be
>      brought about in certain susceptible
>      individuals by the ingestion of too much
>      sugar."

> What an idiot.

Okay, you are saying "Dr. Slagle" is an idiot, not me.

> Someday, Dan, you will learn to keep your nose out...

Someday you will learn to read the difference
between a quote, and a statement.

> My intake of sugar a day is far less then
> most people even on strict diets.

Your sugar level was the issue, and wide mood swings from
very high, to very low.  That was what had been
written about. You have shown obvious depression by
your writing to USENET, and you've written of a desire
to commit suicide -- quite irrational.  Much of that writing
is recorded at...

        http://www.psicounsel.com/mulroy.html

I'm trying to help you here.  You may not experience
what I'm writing as pleasant, but not all help
comes in pleasant, or nice, packages.

> Your false claim above is bogus, a lie, and outrageous.

Well, that remains to be seen.  You seem quite upset, here.

> Susceptible individuals who eat too much sugar bring on
> hypoglycemia?

Actually, that is quite true.  I lived with a woman
for 2 years who had hypoglycemia.  She did not experience
huge mood swings when she refrained from sugar.

She became extremely depressed when she had
problems with low blood sugar.

I became familiar with her doctor, and though I
didn't have the same problems, I wanted to be helpful,
so I learned as much as I could.  This was in the mid
70s.

There are different kinds of doctors.  Some are
mainstream orthodox, others off of the beaten path.

You may hear one thing from your doctor, and other
doctors (as legally able to practice) will disagree
completely.

So, get off this high and mighty horse of
yours.  You don't know everything, either.

> ...tell me you are not this dense, and in fact, humor me...  SHOW
> ME this in any medical journal...

I'm not interested in "medical journals," here.  I'm interested
in uncovering some things that you, and your orthodox doctor,
may not know, or care about.

> Failure to do so shows your...

It shows nothing except your delusions.

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From: Dan Kettler <dan@psicounselmapson.com>
Subject: Re: Hypoglycemia and Diabetes
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Neykomi Lee (Del Robert Mulroy DRM) wrote:

> X-No-Archive: Yes

                Del Robert Mulroy

                http://www.psicounsel.com/mulroy.html

> > DRM wrote:
> > > >           "I collapsed at a local mall a few weeks ago with a
> > > >           blood sugar of 1251. ...I lost all my eye site for
> > > >           30 minutes...the muscle lining of the eyes
> > > >           was damaged and I could go blind at any time."

JM:> > Dan. A blood sugar reading of 1251 is
   > > called hyperglycemia.

> > Actually, the only way you could _appear_ to be "winning"
> > this argument, was to cut out my complete discussion, and
> > to ignore the fact that I disputed this, on USENET, with
> > Del Mulroy.

DRM:  Yes, you did.  You lost MISERABLY...

DK:   So it seems to you, delusional one.

<snip>

DRM:  ...insanely stupid on your part.

DK:   You categorize my writing as "insanely stupid."

DK:   Interesting.

>      DK: Dr. Slagle also writes that "low blood
>      sugar...many experts believe may be
>      brought about in certain susceptible
>      individuals by the ingestion of too much
>      sugar."

> You're an idiot for making this claim.  It is untrue and anyone diabetic knows it.

DK: You are writing about Dr. Slagle, not me.

DK: When you get this excited, it reminds me of how my
    mate was, back in the 70s, when she had problems
    with sugar levels.  She was quite irrational.

DK: It's not something that she would not freely admit,
    though, once her blood sugar level got somewhere
    near normal.

<snip -- I never read it -- really long one this time>

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Subject: Re: Hypoglycemia and Diabetes
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Jason Mathews wrote:

<snip>

DK > > My most important point, here, is that Del is
> > probably not dying.  Millions live with diabetes
> > for many years.  The as yet, uncurable,
> > "disease" he writes of is probably bogus.
> > Leg problems occur with diabetes, and
> > it is not necessary to have some other
> > exotic illness for that to occur.

<snip about similar symptoms>

I don't believe anything you write.

> So you can kindly fu*k yourself...

You're funny, man.

> > > ...you are trying to use Del's condition as an argument
> > > to defame him...

He defames himself while in the process of
trying to defame me with lies.

I, simply, report the facts, and that is
the discrediting process I use as a defense.

This is all, right here, clear as day:

          http://www.psicounsel.com/mulroy.html

There are links to DEJA, which prove past posts.

<snip>

> > Since you bring it up, I find that he's shown,
> > often enough on USENET, that he's [Del Robert Mulroy]
> > mentally unstable.

> Seems to be pretty fuc*ing clearheaded to me...

Well, to a whacko like you, anything would seem "clear."

You are a PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATIC (PSF) described here...

          http://www.psicounsel.com/page9328-a.htm

Many other web sites give examples of the mentality of
PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF) and I have them linked.

Typically, these PSF are the PRO-ORTHODOX-MEDICINE,
let's get the "quacks" types. Let's yank the
doctor's licenses for being so-called "quacks"
is what they say.

That means, anti-alternative-medicine.

That means, anti-homeopathy.

JM: > ...a rather lowlife thing to do, but not
> > > unexpected, because as I have pointed
> > > out before, your arguments are logically
> > > flawed...

> > My discussions with you have proven you a
> > fool. Live with it.  You are the illogical
> > one, the one with no facts, and no sense.

> Assertion without facts...

Your game, not mine.  DEJA shows it all...

        http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml

> [You, Dan, are] showing to the rest of Usenet
> just how ignorant, biased, stupid, clueless, and consumed
> with hate you really are.

I'm not showing hate, or anything else you
assert. You imagine you know what USENET,
all of USENET, thinks of me.  That's delusional.
I know that PSF detest me, but I don't care.
They feel that way, obvious from their reactions,
because I expose them.

<snip -- unread>

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Neykomi Lee [Del Robert Mulroy DRM] wrote:

> X-No-Archive: Yes

> <desnipped> mode on.

You know what, Mulroy, I read a few lines from
you, answer them, and then snip the rest without
reading it.

You are quite excitable, and when you get this way,
you write and write and write and write.  I don't
have time for _so much_ nonsense.

More on Mulroy, from his own words, at...

          http://www.psicounsel.com/mulroy.html

> Misc.health.alternative removed, off topic there since they know that I deal with
> doctors that are not alternative.

I see, so you have decided, have you not, that you:

     "...deal with doctors that are _not_ alternative."

Okay, what about information, which can be tested by you, that is
alternative?  I wonder if you are _that_ open minded?

> > > > DRM wrote:
> > > > > >           "I collapsed at a local mall a few weeks ago with a
> > > > > >           blood sugar of 1251. ...I lost all my eye site for
> > > > > >           30 minutes...the muscle lining of the eyes
> > > > > >           was damaged and I could go blind at any time."

> > Jason Mathews:
> >   :> > Dan. A blood sugar reading of 1251 is
> >    > > called hyperglycemia.

DK: <snip> I disputed this, on USENET, with Del Mulroy.

> > > Yes, you did.  You lost MISERABLY as a result of not
> > > being able to grasp diabetes and what is all does to the
> > > human body... <snip>

DK:  The issues I raised, some of which are
     being brought up again in this thread,
     are not some loss to me.

DK:  Me "losing" is in your delusions, Mulroy.
     It was between you and I, and no-one proved
     anything about the condition, not you, and
     not me.

DK:  You reveal a dogmatism about medicine in these
     posts.  You cannot go to a medical journal, and
     read from it like some fundamentalist preacher,
     declaring it all the word of god.  The human body
     does not work that way.

DK:  You cannot say, "my doctor said so, so it's true."

DK:  That does not work, in reality, either.

DK:  You cannot say, "I got a second and third opinion."

DK:  That doesn't work in the real world, either.

DK:  All 3 doctors may have come from the
     same "school of thought."

> > > You reporting that low blood sugar (known
> > > as hypoglycemia), is caused in some people by ingesting too
> > > much sugar (hyperglycemia) was not only a laugh, it was
> > > insanely stupid on your part.

> > DK:   So it seems to you, delusional one.

DK:  Your writing about what I, supposedly, wrote
     is slightly inaccurate.  I wrote of "sugar levels"
     in regard to too much.

DK:  I see, you are so dogmatic that you say
     I'm "insanely stupid."

> Prove me wrong.  Find a medical journal...

DK:  I wrote of "medical journals" above.

DK:  Now, I've answered enough delusion and hostility for
     one session, so I'll just snip the rest of your post,
     and not read it.

<snip>

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