Who's Who in alt.paranormal/alt.astrology?
by Dan Kettler
Latest revision Oct. 23, 1999 now introducing DEJA references
to statements that certain people do not see authenticity in
astrology or the paranormal. I am noting, particularly, those
who seemed to be advocates, and now show they are not.
It is important to know who is who, if you are a new reader of alt.paranormal.
Another thing is to read the FAQs, and there are a number of them.
To see exactly how to find all the FAQs, (FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS) about the newsgroup, read:
http://www.psicounsel.com/altparfaq.html
WHO IS WHAT?:
This is a list proponents and non-proponents of the paranormal who participate in alt.paranormal.
For years previous, most discussion has not been about the paranormal, so it is difficult for the new reader to know which people are proponents of the paranormal, and which are not.
This is not a complete list.
To find out what many of the non-proponents are doing, see:
FAQ of Newsgroup Chaos
http://www.psicounsel.com/faqchaos.html
NOT PROPONENTS OF THE PARANORMAL OR ASTROLOGY (some skeptics,
and others pseudo-skeptics):
Rhianna
rhianna@pipeline.com
Link that shows Rhianna is not a proponent
Phil Harrision
pharrison@ramtop.demon.co.uk
Dan Pressnell
Mike Combs
Jon Walsh
prophet@skepticul.org
Tim Hill
"digger"
anonym
anonym@pacbell.net
postman
jamiemps@mindspring.com
Lou Minatti
Sherilyn
Hugh Morles
Peter Nyikos
nyikos@math.sc.edu
Matt Kriebel
twitch
Wm James
widdershins
sinistre@concentric.net
LectrikEd
Hugh Morles
Bob Officer
3669debe.7649844@news.supernews.com (Dec. 1998)
Link that shows Bob Officer is not a proponent
- - - - Link for more info about Bob
Officer
Joseph G. Mitzen
Nolan
Jason Matthews
Lady Nidiffer
Scorpio
Scorpio730@yahoo.com
Avital Pilpel
ap241@columbia.edu
Gary L. Burnore
gburnore@databasix.com
Rick Ellis
supernews.com
PZ Myers
myers@netaxs.com
Bill Keesing
uce@ftc.gov
Paul Schlyter
pausch@saaf.se
PROPONENTS:
Dan Kettler
dan@psicounsel.com
Lucianarchy
robbinroberts@dial.pipex.com
Charles Gregory
Ron Bobo
Tom Ray
tomeleven@aol.com
Br. Kurt Van Kuren
Raymond Karczewski
arkent@cdsnet.net
Edmond Wollmann
EHW@astroconsulting.com
David Lindhauer
camille@bluegrass.net
Aldarow
aldarow@zahav.net.il
Kimberland
jgriffin@interlog.com
Pamela Gross
beep@ix.netcom.com
Alan Williams
alco@pentile.demon.co.uk
Amos Keppler
KAYFOLSON
kayfolson@aol.com
Belvedere
Thomas Hunter
Jack Sarfatti
sarfatti@well.com
John Benneth
Flagship1 of the Paranormal flagship@epix.net
Pete Stapleton
majak@earthlink.net
David Lindauer
camille@bluegrass.net
You may wonder why so many people who are not proponents of the paranormal
are posting in alt.paranormal?
Get some indication of that at:
http://www.psicounsel.com/page9328-a.htm
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They are called "afa-b bullies" by Raymond Karczewski, and I quote him here:
June/July 1998:
...misdirecting ploy...<snip>
used by the AFAB bullies. It
is thrown out for no other purpose
than to misdirect reader attention
away from the issue of the post and
redirect it onto some irrelevant
tangent.
Their tactic is to deceive and misdirect
reader attention with "taken out of
context" remarks and/or by the pointing
out of irrelevant phrases having no direct
bearing upon the core of the issue being
discussed.
Their purpose is to keep the momentum of
dualism alive in the conditioned consciousness
of human beings to insure their control through
the medium of psychological confusion and
conflict.
...cowardly predators known as the AFAB
Bullies...demand that their prey lay down
quietly while they "gorge" themselves in
their predatory psychological "feeding frenzy."
Actually, nonresponse is the greatest enemy
of the AFAB Bullies, for they must have the
words of their prey to twist, distort, and
take out of context so their own lack of
originality does not begin to exhibit itself.
...word twisting, misdirection, character assassination
and libel the AFAB bullies habitually engage in.
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They are also known as coming from an organization called "skepticult." I coined the word, as signifying those who are pseudo-skeptics -- described on these pages:
http://www.psicounsel.com/page9328-a.htm
"Skepticult" came from the "afa-b" bullies. Not all members, however, are the original persons involved in the movement to dominate afa-b.
For the most part they are deceptive, and degenrate liars about people, writing all sorts of vile lies and forging posts. They also attempt to censor people with FAQs, and by cancelling posts. Their origin is from a group that made life so unbearable for the fans of Art Bell:
(paranormal topics on the radio)
...that the fans left the newsgroup and started a "mailing list," and the founder deleted afa-b. Then it was started again by Tim Hill, and his followers continued to make the environment unfriendly to "fans" of Art Bell.
http://www.psicounsel.com/afabinfo.html
The best way to verify activities of "afa-b bullies" is to look for posts by Raymond Karczewski, and trace Raymond's accusations to their original posts for vefification, in the archives at:
Other persons listed here, also may be checked for past activites by the same method, using DEJANEWS.
Some accuse me by taking my words out of context, and thereby conveying an innacurate meaning. It is helpful to look at the complete version of the statements quoted by accessing DEJANEWS.
I am obviously a target of such deception because I expose these people. Others, such as Edmond Wollmann and Raymond Karczewski, who do thesame, are targets. The CULTISTS think that by discrediting us, readers will not believe us.
Click here for postings in years previous.
If you cannot find any posts after clicking at the button below, usually that is because I have not posted for months. Then, just click at the above reference for "years previous."
If you read accusations about me, Dan Kettler, and you wish to check my side of the controversy...
Click here to search for Dan Kettler's posts.
Use http://www.deja.com to
check the background after reading my rebuttals, to see that the accusations
about me had been false. Be sure and use the "power search" function.
Some of the "afa-b bullies" are:
digger (aka Blaine Henry) bhenry@ptialaska.net -- it was necessary for
this
person to identify himself completely when he placed his phoney
"spam report" to my Internet Service Provider
Tim Hill (aka "DrTim") (self-proclaimed
"Ruling Monarch"
of afa-b) (Aug.15,98<6r4o19$aln@enews2.newsguy.com>)
"Reverend Doctor Tim, BsD, McC" <Dr_Tim@Cowards.Use.Cancelbots.newsguy.com>
<above -- December 1998 -- along with "extra.newsguy.com"
and 7474hk$fe4@enews2.newsguy.com" >
Jon Walsh
prophet@skepticult.org
Phil Harrison
postman
jamiemps@mindspring.com
EMPATH (Aug. 14, 1998 <35d6e243.7461890@news.alt.net>)
Lou Minatti (Aug. 14. 1998 <35D4FD82.6123@yahoo.com>
newsfeed.wli.net 131.119.28.147 )
newsfeed.concentric.net (Dec. 1998)
LectrikEd
Dan Pressnell dpressne@ns.vvm.com
Hugh Morles
Bob Officer
Joseph G. Mitzen (Aug. 14. 1998 <MPG.103ecde5bcd484c1989860@enews.newsguy.com>
Nolan (Aug. 15, 1998 posted as <6r5feq$gum$2@samba.rahul.net>
Jason Matthews (Aug. 15, 1998 NNTP posting host: 207.193.227.197)
Lady Nidiffer Aug 17, 98 <8AZB1.139$ZQ5.2586958@news.abs.net>
newsm.ibm.net news.maxwell.syr.edu
widdershins
sinistre@concentric.net
Bill Keesing
uce@ftc.gov
At times, these people post under other names. As an example, "General Christian" is actually Tim Hill. These are known as "sock puppets" in Internet language. Often enough, one cannot know who the people actually are, and finding who their Internet Service Provider is, can be difficult.
...and they all call themselves "dr" which means, to them, a "dr of bells**t"
See more on cults on the Internet at:
http://www.psicounsel.com/cult.html